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Starships Chart 2 by IanKeenan Starships Chart 2 by IanKeenan
Star Trek-Canon Universe, Comparison Chart #5.

Starships Chart 2 - Vessels of the Federation, 22nd & 23rd Centuries.

All sizes are OFFICIAL! All Series, and Movies - use Download to view full size.

UPDATE:
Revised background.

Credits:
Vessel Sideviews: Ex Astris Scientia, except Polaris Class, completed by myself.
Logos: Paramont Pictures.
Background: Heavily modified by myself from the SFC3 "Vessel Library" background.

Disclaimer: Star Trek is a registered trademark of Paramount Pictures - no copyright infringement is intended.
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Crimson-Dragon-King Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
J.J Abrams enterprise is bigger then the Prime Universe Enterprise NCC-1701.

The nacelles  on J.J Abrams enterprise look bloated.
Great job! :)
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IanKeenan Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I must admit when I saw the JJ Enterprise, I immediately thought it was more like the refit Enterprise from the first six films, when I found out how big it was, I had to admit I had hysterics, its far too oversized!
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Crimson-Dragon-King Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
ya, I wander if it held more officers then the prime Enterprise (Kirk's).
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IanKeenan Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually from what I have found out, it has more of less the same number of crew - perhaps the size is explained by the installation of "flare generators"! ;-)
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Crimson-Dragon-King Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow!
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IanKeenan Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Its funny, but that way my very same thought!
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Crimson-Dragon-King Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
ya
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Midway2009 Featured By Owner May 7, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I love these ships.
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NigelMcDivine Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2013  Hobbyist
i only got one thing to say to J.J Abrams....(Facepalm and talking while constantly slapping J.J Abrams)Nice job you son of a bitch!You ruined the Enterprise!
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IanKeenan Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The whole thing was done for good ol' "Dramatic Purposes" i.e. the Enterprise built ON Earth as opposed to built in orbit in the San Francisco Orbital Fleet Yards, the way Kirk became captain without going through the ranks, etc.

Saying that, there was an element of humour in it - i.e. when Uhura was getting gooey over Spock, Kirk's face was a Classic!!
Another thing I have found is the resurgeance in interest in Star Trek in general, ALL the series (bar the Animated series) are shown on several cable/satellite TV channels here in the UK, and the films are running again on Channel 4 TV.
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Deltigar Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2014
The animated series is available on Netflix.
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Guyvantic Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I like your charts, but I am confused. Where in The Motion Picture was the Federation Class, Saladin Class, and Hermes Class mention? And where was the Ptolemy Class mentioned in The Wrath of Kahn?
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IanKeenan Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you :-)

Its a little complicated, both types were mentioned in background comm chatter in the "Epsilon 9" scene at the beginning of the film; the Federation Class (as the USS Entante - NCC-2120) and the Hermes Class was mentioned when you hear orders sent out that the USS Revere(NCC-595) has to rendezvous with the USS Columbia (NCC-621).
A gereric Hermes/Saladin schematcs were shown on the bridge displays during STII & STIII. The same goes for the Ptolemy Class this was seen on Bridge displays too!
ALL these classes were actually from the (then) canon publication "Star Trek Starfleet Technical Manual" by Franz Joseph, it was de-canonised by Gene Roddenberry shortly after due to disagreements between him and Joseph, more recently his widow (Majel Barrett-Roddenberry) more of less stated it could be considered canon.

Hope this helps.
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mikepalomino Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2011
This is really nice art! Kinda reminds me of the heydays in high school (sadly many moons ago) when I considered myself a hardcore Star Trek fan. I used to spend class doodling heavy cruisers and Romulan warbirds in the margins of my notebooks =D

My fandom has waned since Paramount and Brannon Braga raped the series into the dirt and I wasn't totally sold on the new movie either, however I can still appreciate the art. Yours is no exception and this is really neat. Nicely done! This must have taken a long time to put together and get the scale just right (1 pixel being 1.5 meters and all).

How did you do it? Do you have a reference schematics or something? I didn't think the supplementary material they sold back in the day (like the Michael Okuda's Technical Manual) were still being made/sold.

Also is the reimagined Heavy Cruiser the JJ Abrams Enterprise? As the comments say below: it is huge! It totally didn't sink in that the ship was that big.
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IanKeenan Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I was the same when I was at School - also many years ago(!), but I actually liked the TNG series (all of them), Trek moved on - it HAD to. Looking back some of the first couple of series/seasons of TNG, DS9 & VOY the stories were a bit dodgy, TNG was a lot better after "Q Who", DS9 got miles better when Worf joined, VOY when Seven joined. ENT I found annoying, they spend a LOT of the time arguing! But that suddenly improved, when the Xindi arc started.
JJ's STXI, made me laugh (for all the wrong reasons) the stupid engineering (a Budweiser brewery), the constant flares, and the oversized starships (this was done by JJ himself who is a well known Star Wars fan, everything there IS big! The Enterprise was built ON Earth not in an orbital construction yard, for an Engineering point of view - that is a no-no, the stresses on the warp necelles AND the saucer Primary Hull would have snapped them off!! Kirk went through Starfleet Academy NOT the way they showed - his first ship was the USS Farragut - so they messed up there.

The charts were done simply by copying vaious sideviews off various sites and google images and resizing them, the whole project was originally done for myself a couple of years back, but a friend of mine said I should put them up here!
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mikepalomino Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2011
Your story sounds very similar to mine, I wonder if we're about the same age (36 here). I loved TOS and adored TNG. DS9 was good but didn't hold my attention as well as TNG (at the time I sort of dismissed it as Paramount's attempt to steal Babylon 5's thunder, which ironically was also another good show I missed out on). I liked Voyager to a point but lost interest shortly into it. Enterprise totally turned me off.

For me the thing that really started my straying-away from Star Trek began with the massive disrespect for the franchise's continuity by the writers/producers. This partly began with the widely loved "First Contact" when they made Zephram Cochrane from Earth, a small nitpick I suppose, but much of the supplementary material on Star Trek listed him as being from Alpha Centauri, but I digress... However, when Enterprise started introducing Klingons and other continuity breaking bugs, I lost whatever little interest I had.

Another part of it was also that starting with Voyager, Star Trek just wasn't feeling like Star Trek anymore, I'm not sure what it was, I can't quite put my finger on it. Voyager felt like a return to form (i.e., the exploration) but not sure what it was that just lost me (it's been so long I don't remember lol).

I think it might have something to do with the overuse of the Borg whenever they wanted ratings, an enemy that had already grown stale by the time TNG had ended. The show, like the Borg, had grown stale.

I really wish I had watched Bablyon 5 back in the day, Star Trek needed someone like J. Michael Strazynski, a guy who had a plan to tell a story instead of just milk a franchise until it was withered and dessicated. He could have done wonders for the franchise.

Anyway, I am sorry for the long reply. I hope I didn't ramble too much :]
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IanKeenan Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nope I'm a LITTLE older (49) but I've been told I don't act it, I'm still out there doing things and have a wide age range of friends - from about 20 upwards.

I saw Babylon 5 from the start and yes I feld DS9 was similar (it was), but both series had a charm of their own, DS9 had Quark and the goings on with the Ferengi, loved Jadzia Dax (Terry Farrell) and Leeta (Chase Masterson). On B5 G'Kar was the most noble character - used to find his arguments with Ambassador Londo Mollari hilarious.

Enterprise truly fucked things up, the Klingons weren't supposed to have been met until the early 2200's, and the ships of that time were actually supposed to have been cylindrical NOT like the classes we DID see.

Gotta be honest, First Contact was and is STILL my favourite Trek film, the situation with him being from Alpha Centauri is fluid, I originally read his WENT there to retire, but was originally from Earth. In the non-canon universe, he WAS from Alpha Centauri!
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mikepalomino Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2011
Oh don't get me wrong. First Contact was definitely one fine Trek film that got a lot of stuff right, heh just the Cochrane nitpick bugged me for a while (at the time) but I got over it ;D

Jonathan Frakes did a great job directing it too, it's a pity he didn't become more of a mainstream director. Damn you Hollywood! :shakefist:

But yeah... between Enterprise and the last TNG movie (which shamelessly duplicated Wrath of Khan with Data's demise) that was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Still, deep down I'll forever be a Trekker/Trekkie :D
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IanKeenan Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh yeah I can fully see where you are coming from here, I thought that myself - but then again, the film WORKED, I know a few NON-trekkies who liked it, and yes Jonathan Frakes should branch out - but apparently he likes sci-fi so I'm not sure he fully will :-( Frankly HE should have directed STXI, it would have been a LOT better!

ENT Series 5 was to be about the Earth-Romulan & Earth Kzinti wars, from what I've seen, it would have been a great season, just a pity CBS Paramount didn't give it a chance instead of the silly film!
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mikepalomino Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2011
I heard about the Earth-Romulan rumors but not Kzinti, I wonder how legit that rumor was. That would have been interesting considering it's a separate third-party intellectual property.

Alas, we'll never know. But hey there's always paperback fiction and fan fiction :D
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IanKeenan Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
The Kzinti were going to be using the Darkstalker Class [link] also [link]
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DavidAkerson Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2011
My favorite era for sure.

What can I say? I like fleet uniformity with matching nacelles and parts.
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IanKeenan Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
How it ALL started!
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DavidAkerson Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2011
Aye, once I get my game install up to specs, I'm looking forward to taking some pictures of the TMP Enterprise. :)
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mikepalomino Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2011
I have to ask: what game? Starfleet Command?
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DavidAkerson Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2011
Definitely Armada 2 no questions ask.
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mikepalomino Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2011
Gotcha. I only played the first Armada back in the day. It's been a while since I've been into a Trek game, SFC I & II being my favorites. I may have to give Armada a whirl some day :)

Thanks for responding!
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IanKeenan Featured By Owner Mar 22, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sounds good :-)
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VictorHugo Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2011  Professional Digital Artist
The JJVerse Enterprise is so disproportional that causes revulsion. It´s like..bigger than the Enterprise E!
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smitht2ncc1701 Featured By Owner 1 day ago
I hate that the scale is so huge. I mean a little bigger than the original or refit sure..but larger than the D....at there tech level? Hell with that! 
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IanKeenan Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Agreed, I've heard however that there MAY be a size re-adjustment for ST XII, although I'm NOT holding my breath!
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TCB-Starships Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2011
I still don't buy the whole 700+ meter thing. I think some fans just assumed it was larger because they misjudged the scale in a couple of scenes.
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NuclearPoweredPony Featured By Owner May 29, 2013
From what I heard there was a whole lot of griping over the size of the shuttle bay in regards to the rest of the ship. Personally Im try to only worry over relative scales when it comes to scifi. Is it the size of a car, ocean going ship, city, moon, planet etc.
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IanKeenan Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
No, the sizes are a studio thing (originally it was scaled at 1,200 meters with the Kelvin at 655 meters - according to the official book "Star Trek: The Art of the Film") but it was downsized because that was seen as TOO big!
Personally I think the huge sizes were the result of either a) confusing meters and feet OR because JJ Abrams (a Star Wars fan) wanted the Star Trek vessels in his movie to be the same size as Star Wars vessels, (and have a budweiser brewery as an engineering deck!!!!).
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